mv¶vrKvi
kIKZ Avjx
ÔZvivk¼‡ii Dcb¨v‡m muvZvi †K‡UwQ †Zv wef~wZf~l‡Yi Dcb¨v‡m WyemuvZvi KvU‡Z n‡q‡QÑ  `y‡UvB mvb›` mš—iYÕ
mv¶vrKvi MÖnY: gvi“d ivqnvb

GLbKvi evsjv K_vmvwn‡Z¨i cvVK‡`i Kv‡Q †jLK kIKZ Avjxi (Rb¥ 1936) bvgwU e¨vcKfv‡e cwiwPZ| Rxeb‡K Mfxifv‡e †`Lvi Ges Dcjwä Kivi ¯^v¶i Zuvi mKj iPbv‡ZB j¶¨ Kiv hvq| AZx‡Zi Rxeb †hgb cÖvq Abycy•L dz‡U I‡V Zuvi †jLvq, †Zgwb eZ©gv‡bi ev¯—eZvI eûgvwÎKfv‡e Zuvi iPbvq aiv c‡o| Z„Yg~‡ji Aciv‡Rq msMÖvgx gvbyl‡`i †hb cvIqv hvq, †Zgwb bMievmx we‡`ªvnx Zvi“‡Y¨i A½xKvi ev¯—evq‡bi KvwnbxI Zuvi iPbvq _v‡K| AviI _v‡K †kvlK I †kvwl‡Zi eûgvwÎK msMÖv‡gi K_v| Zuvi Kvwnbx‡Z fv‡jvevmv N„Yv †µva ci‡Z ci‡Z PwiÎ wbg©v‡Yi cÖwµqv‡K c~Y©v½ K‡i †Zv‡j|

wk¶v : kªxivgcyi wgkbvwi ¯‹zj I ivqMÄ K‡iv‡bkb nvB ¯‹zj| K‡jR wk¶v : w`bvRcy‡i, my‡i›`ªbv_ K‡jR| wek¦we`¨vjq : XvKv wek¦we`¨vjq| RxweKv : wk¶KZv, ¯‹zj I K‡jR, 3 eQi| RMbœv_ wek¦we`¨vjq K‡jR, 25 eQi| †Rjv †M‡RwUqvi m¤úv`bv 3 eQi| Aa¨¶Zv : miKvwi msMxZ gnvwe`¨vjq 3 eQi| 1993-Aemi| †c‡q‡Qb evsjv GKv‡Wgx cyi¯‹vi (1968), GKz‡k c`K (1991), wdwjc&m cyi¯‹vi (2evi : 1986, 1992), AvLZvi“¾vgvb Bwjqvm ¯§„wZ cyi¯‹vi, FwlR wkíx‡Mvôxi m¤§vbbv I †Mvjvg †gvZ©Rv ¯§„wZ c`K|

gvi“d ivqnvb : Avcbvi †jLv‡jwLi m~Pbvce© Ges µgk †jLK n‡q IVv m¤ú‡K© Rvb‡Z PvB|

kIKZ Avjx : Avgvi †jLv‡jwLi Avi¤¢ evjK-eq‡m| hLb eB co‡Z cvwi Ges wjL‡Z wk‡LwQ| eB co‡Z gRv jvM‡Zv, Avi c‡owQI A‡bKÑ hLb ZLb, duvK †c‡jBÑ †Ljvayjvi PvB‡Z eB c‡o †ewk gRv †cZvg| nv‡Zi Kv‡Q eB †c‡qI †hZvgÑ cÎcwÎKvI|

DËie‡½i GK _vbv UvDb ivqM‡Äi ¶‡q hvIqv GK †RvZ`vi cwiev‡i Rb¥Ñ ¶‡q hvIqv ejwQ GRb¨ †h Rwgi Av‡q msmvi Pj‡Zv bv| wKš‘ n‡j Kx n‡e A‡bK eB wQ‡jv evwo‡ZÑ cÎcwÎKvI Avm‡Zv| ZvQvov evwoi Kv‡QB GKUv cvewjK jvB‡eªwi wQ‡jv, †mLvb †_‡KI eB Avb‡Zb evev| wZwb Bs‡iwR evsjv `yB fvlv‡ZB bvbv wel‡qi Ici †jLv eB co‡Zb| Avi gv co‡Zb ïay evsjv eB Avi cwÎKvÑ Zuvi AvKl©‡Yi welq wQ‡jv Mí Avi Dcb¨vm| ¯‹z‡ji mxgvbv Qvovi Av‡MB evsjv fvlvi †jLK-Kwe‡`i bvg Rvbv n‡q wM‡qwQ‡jv| ew¼g, gvB‡Kj, iex›`ªbv_, kirP›`ª, gxi †gvkviid, bRi“j, RmxgDÏxb, Gu‡`i bvg Avi wKQy iPbvi m‡½ †Zv cwiPq n‡qwQ‡jvB, ZviciI cwiPq n‡qwQ‡jv Zvivk¼i-wef~wZ, gvwbKÑ Gu‡`i †jLvi m‡½IÑ GgbwK bvivqY M‡½vcva¨vq, my‡eva †Nvl, ebdzj, mg‡ik emyÑ Gu‡`i †jLvI G‡Kev‡i AcwiwPZ wQ‡jv bv| kIKZ Imgv‡bi bvgI †Pbv n‡q wM‡qwQ‡jv| eB †cZvg bv, wKš‘ cÎcwÎKv †Zv †cZvg| ZvQvov bv‡gi wgj †Zv wQ‡jvB| Avgvi c‡ii fvB Wv. Imgv‡bi bvgI kIKZ Imgv‡bi bvg †_‡K †bIqv| GKB †jL‡Ki bvg KvKZvjxqfv‡e `yB fvB‡qi bvg n‡q †M‡Q| Avgv‡`i cwiev‡i bvg wb‡q AviI GKwU mv`„‡k¨i NUbv Av‡Q Avgvi eo fvB‡qi bvg ivLv n‡qwQ‡jv †gvnv¤§` Avjx| IB mgq Avjx eªv`v‡m©i (kIKZ Avjx I †gvnv¤§` Avjx) f~wgKv fvi‡Zi ivRbxwZ‡Z Lye †Rviv‡jv wQ‡jv| †Zv Avgvi eo fvB‡qi bvg ivLv nq †gvnv¤§` AvjxÑ IB NUbvi 5/6 eQi c‡i Avgvi Rb¥ n‡j Avgvi bvgI ivLv nq Avjx eªv`vm©‡K ¯§iY K‡i| Zv‡Z †QvU fvB‡qi bvg aviY K‡i Avgvi eo fvB, Avi Avwg †QvU nIqv m‡Ë¡I Avgvi gv_vq Pvwc‡q †`Iqv nq eo fvB‡qi bvg|

†Zv hvK †m cÖm½Ñ †jLv ïi“i K_v ewj| H co‡Z co‡ZB Avgvi wjL‡Z B”Qv Ki‡Zv| ZvB wjLZvgI, wKš‘ †Kv‡bvUvB †kl n‡Zv bv| Zvi Av‡MB wQu‡o †d‡j w`Zvg| †KD Rvb‡Zv bv Avgvi GB LvZvi cvZv bó K‡i †jLv Avi wQu‡o †d‡j †`Iqvi K_v| Z‡e gv‡qi bRi Gov‡Z cvwiwb| wZwb †`L‡Zb, wKš‘ wKQy ej‡Zb bv| Avgvi †Pv‡L †Pv‡L ZvwK‡q _vK‡Zb| gv gviv hvb 1949GÑ †c‡Ui bvwo‡Z K¨vÝvi n‡qwQ‡jv| LyeB hš¿Yv n‡Zv| iv‡Z Ny‡gv‡Z cvi‡Zb bv| Ab¨ †Q‡j‡g‡q KvD‡K bq, Avgv‡KB ej‡Zb M‡íi eB c‡o †kvbv‡Z| iv‡Zi ci ivZ †R‡M wkq‡ii Kv‡Q e‡m jɇbi Av‡jvq Avwg gv‡K eB c‡o ïwb‡qwQ| Zvivk¼i Avi wef~wZf~l‡Yi †jLv gv‡qi Lye fv‡jv jvM‡ZvÑ Iu‡`i cÖvq me Dcb¨vmB cov n‡q hvq| gv 1949 Gi c‡njv igRv‡b wPiwe`vq †bb|

gv‡qi H Mí-Dcb¨vmwcÖqZv Avgvi mvwnZ¨i“wP I †jLv‡jwLi GKUv KviY n‡Z cv‡i e‡j g‡b nIqv‡ZB cÖm½Uv GLv‡b Zzjjvg|

wKš‘ †jLv‡jwL K‡i LvZvi c„ôv bó Ges wQu‡o †djvi NUbv Avgvi K¬v‡mi eÜziv †KD †KD Rvb‡jI Zv‡`i Ge¨vcv‡i †KŠZ~njx n‡Z †`wLwb| Avgvi cvMjvwgi NUbv wb‡q I‡`i g‡a¨ nvwm-VvÆvI Iiv KL‡bv K‡iwb| eB cov, †jLv‡jwL, ev wb‡Ri g‡a¨ Wy‡e _vKvi Av‡iv GKUv KviY †eva nq GB †h, ZLb Pviw`‡K me wKQy UvjgvUvj Aw¯’i, Pviw`‡K AvZ¼ Avi Avk¼v| 2q gnvhy× †kl n‡”Q| `ywf©‡¶i Qvqv †h‡Z †h‡ZI hvq bvÑ KLb †h `v½v nv½vgv †j‡M hvq wVK †bB| GKw`‡K †¯­vMvb I‡V jo‡K †j‡½ cvwK¯—vb †Zv Ab¨w`‡K Av‡iv †Rv‡i Zvi cÖZz¨Ë‡i †kvbv hvq fviZgvZv wK Rq| Ggb Ae¯’vi g‡a¨B †`kfvM n‡q †M‡jv| †bvqvLvwj Avi KjKvZvi mv¤cÖ`vwqK `v½vI n‡q †M‡Q| Lye †Rv‡i †kv‡i Pj‡Q GKw`K †_‡K Avi GKw`‡K cvjv‡bvi cvjv|  evB‡i ZvKv‡jB fq Avi Avk¼v, ZLb N‡ii `iRv Rvbvjv †hgb †Zgwb g‡biI `iRv Rvbvjv eÜ K‡i ivL‡Z n‡Zv| Avi IB fq, AvZ‡¼i K_v wjL‡Z †Póv KiZvg| †kl ch©š— cvwiwb; wKš‘ †PóvUv KiZvg|

1952 mv‡ji gvSvgvwS mg‡q Rb¥f~wg †Q‡o P‡j Avm‡Z nq| gymjgvb‡`i bZzb †`k cvwK¯—vb-Gi c~e©v‡ji †Rjv kn‡i w`bvRcy‡i| †mLv‡bB VuvB Mvov nq| ILvbKvi K‡j‡RB cov‡kvbv Pvjy n‡q hvq| eÜzI †Rv‡U| Z‡e Giv †hb GKUz †ewk Nwbô- hv‡`i †Q‡o G‡mwQ Zviv mevB evwo‡Z †W‡K wb‡q †h‡Zv bv| Avm‡ZvI bv Avgv‡`i evwo‡Z| Kx LvB, †Kvb eB cwo, Kxfv‡e _vwK Gme †LuvR Lei †bIqvi `iKvi‡eva Ki‡Zv bv| Giv G‡Kev‡i D‡ëv| Giv †R‡b †d‡j †h Avwg †jLv‡jwL Kwi| wµ‡K‡Ui gv‡V hvB e‡U| wKš‘ Iiv †Ljv †`‡L Avi Avwg I‡`i cv‡k e‡m eB cwo| I‡`iB PvcvPvwc‡Z K‡j‡Ri evwl©K mvwnZ¨ cÖwZ‡hvwMZvi Ask wb‡Z nq| cÖ_g cyi¯‹vi cvIqv †M‡j †mB cÖeÜ ¯’vbxq mvwnZ¨cwÎKvq Zv cÖKv‡ki e¨e¯’v K‡i ZvivB, Aek¨ GKRb m¨vi Zv‡`i mvnvh¨ K‡iwQ‡jb| I‡`i g‡a¨ †KD †KD evmvq G‡m Avgvi LvZv Ly‡j Avgvi Amgvß KweZv †nvK wK Mí †nvK, co‡Zv| I‡`iB Pv‡c c‡o XvKvq cwÎKvq KweZv cvVv‡bv nq, MíI| wKš‘ `ywU wK GKUv †jLv Qvcv‡bv n‡qwQj| evwK¸‡jv m¤úv`K‡`i Qvcvi †hvM¨ we‡ewPZ nqwb|

1954 mv‡ji cÖvq cy‡ivUvB †RjLvbvq Kv‡U (m¤¢eZ GwcÖj-b‡f¤^‡i)| ILv‡b MÖvgv‡ji K…lK Av‡›`vj‡bi †bZv-Kg©x‡`i m‡½ Avjvc Ges eÜzZ¡ `yB-B nq- `yÕPviRb LyeB Nwbô n‡q I‡Vb| I‡`i Kv‡QB †ZfvMvi bvbvb NUbvi K_v Rvb‡Z cvwi| I‡`i mvwbœa¨ cvIqv‡ZB Rxe‡bi GKUv eÜ `iRv †hb Ly‡j hvq| †Rj †_‡K Qvov cvIqvi ci we G cix¶v w`B Ges †Kv‡bv iK‡g cvm Kwi| cix¶vi ci Ges †iRvë †ei“evi Av‡M †hb wKQy w`b mgq cvIqv hvq| GiB g‡a¨ duvK, myweav Ges m½x †c‡j P‡j †hZvg MÖvgv‡j G‡Kev‡i †fZ‡ii w`‡K| †mB AwfÁZvI Avgv‡K A‡bKLvwb ˆZwi K‡i w`‡q‡Q| GgG cix¶vi c‡i MÖv‡gi w`‡K wM‡q ¯‹zj gv÷vwi K‡iwQ| K‡j‡Ri gv÷vwi Avi¤¢ Kwi VvKziMuvI-GÑ †ZfvMvi jovB †h A‡j n‡qwQj †m A‡ji g‡a¨ c‡o|

IB iKg †NvivNywi Ki‡Z Ki‡ZB hv †`wL, hv ïwb, hv eywS meB wjL‡Z B‡”Q Ki‡Zv| wjLZvgI KweZv †hgb, †Zgb MíI, XvKvi cwÎKv‡Z cvwV‡qwQ, KjKvZvi cwÎKv‡ZI| `y‡Uv GKUv QvcvI n‡q‡Q| g‡b c‡o KjKvZvi bZzb mvwnZ¨ cwÎKvq Mí Qvcv n‡qwQj, Avi XvKvi B‡Ënv` cwÎKvi mvßvwnK mvwn‡Z¨i cvZvq Mí| ZLbI †jLK ev Kwe Kv‡iv `‡jB cwiPq nqwb| Zv n‡jv 1955-†Z hLb XvKvq GgG co‡Z Gjvg|

evsjv wefv‡Mi GKvwaK Qv‡Îi ZLb †jLK Kwe-mvsevw`K wn‡m‡e †ek bvg hk| Zv‡`i Zzjbvq Avgvi Ae¯’v wQj G‡Kev‡iB bMY¨| wKš‘ Zey †jLv‡jwLi m~‡Î Avnmvb nvexe, nvmvb nvwdRyi ingvb Ges wmKv›`vi Avey Rvd‡ii m‡½ cwiwPZ nB Ges Zuv‡`i †mœn jvf Kwi| Zuviv Avgvi IB mg‡qi KuvPv †jLvI co‡Zb Ges Avgv‡K Avš—wiKfv‡e Drmvn w`‡Zb| Avgvi †jLv Iiv wb‡R †hgb cÖKvk K‡i‡Qb †Zgwb Ab¨ m¤úv`K‡`i Qvcvevi Rb¨ e‡j‡Qb| Avi GBfv‡eB Avgvi †jLK cwiPqUv RvbvRvwb n‡q hvq|

Avm‡jB Avwg †jLK n‡Z †c‡iwQ wK bv Zv Aek¨ GLbI Avwg Rvwb bv|

gvi“d : †jLv‡jwLi ïi“i w`‡K K_vmvwn‡Z¨ Avcbvi Av`k© †K wQ‡jb? Kvi Kvi iPbv Avcbv‡K AbycÖvwYZ Ki‡Zv? cieZ©xKv‡j wK Avcbvi †mB mvwnZ¨we‡ePbvq †Kv‡bv Zvrch©c~Y© cwieZ©b G‡m‡Q?

kIKZ Avjx : K_vmvwn‡Z¨ Av`k© †jLK e‡j wK †Kv‡bv m„Rbkxj †jLK _v‡K? Avgvi g‡b nq bv| GKRb m„Rbkxj †jL‡Ki †jLv GKevi co‡jB cov †kl nq bv KviY H †jLv h‡Zvevi cov hvq Z‡ZveviB bZzb wKQy cvIqv hvq- Avi †mB bZzb wRwbmUv fv‡jv jvM‡Z cv‡i Avevi LvivcI jvM‡Z cv‡i| Avi Av`k© kãUvi G‡Kev‡i wb®‹jyl fv‡jv| hv‡K †Kv‡bv †jLvi Rb¨ gv_vq Zzjjvg, Avevi Zvi Ab¨‡Kv‡bv †jLv c‡o g‡b Kó jv‡M A_ev nZvk nB| ZvB m„Rbkxj gvby‡li m„wó gvÎB Av`k© n‡Z cv‡i bv| ˆK‡kvi ev †hŠe‡bi cÖ_g w`‡K hv‡`i †jLv coZvg Zv‡`i g‡a¨ A‡b‡Ki †jLvB gb‡K `Lj K‡i wb‡Zv wKš‘ †mB `Lj ¯’vqx n‡Zv bv| ebdz‡ji Mí c‡o gy» n‡qwQ GKiK‡gi †Zv my‡eva †Nv‡li Mí c‡o gy» n‡qwQ Ab¨iK‡gi| Zvivk¼‡ii Dcb¨v‡m muvZvi †K‡UwQ †Zv wef~wZf~l‡Yi Dcb¨v‡m WyemuvZvi KvU‡Z n‡q‡Q `y‡UvB mvb›` mš—iY| Avi gvwbK e‡›`¨vcva¨v‡qi Dcb¨vm covi mgq †Zv `ycy‡ii Vv Vv †iv‡` nuvU‡Z nuvU‡Z †mvbv iƒ‡cv Kzwo‡qwQ| me©ÎB AwfÁZv bZzb †_‡K bZzbZi| Kv‡K Av`k© e‡j gv_vq Zzj‡ev? Zzj‡Z n‡j mevB‡K gv_vi Ic‡i Zzj‡Z n‡e Avi A‡Zv fvi gv_vq wb‡q wK c_ Pjv hvq? hw` Nvo †f‡½ hvq? ZvB Av`k© e‡j KvD‡K MÖnY Ki‡Z cvwi wb| eis ejv hvq c‡_i mÜvb w`‡q‡Qb Zuviv| Zuv‡`i c_ mÜvb G‡KR‡bi G‡KK w`‡K| Zv‡Z gykwKj AviI †ewk| Kvi †`Lv‡bv c‡_ Pj‡ev? ZvB wb‡Ri c_ Lyu‡R †mB c‡_ Pjvi †Póv K‡iwQ| †mB c‡_ P‡j †Kv_vI †cuŠQy‡Z †c‡iwQ wK bv Rvwb bv|

gvi“d : gyw³hy×Kv‡j Avcwb †Kv_vq wQ‡jb? Avcbvi Abyf~wZ wKiKg wQj? Zvr¶wYKfv‡e MYnZ¨vi †Kv‡bv mvwnwZ¨K cÖwZev‡`i D‡`¨vM wK MÖnY Kiv m¤¢e n‡qwQj?

kIKZ Avjx : gyw³hy‡×i mgq A‡b‡Ki g‡Zv AvwgI XvKv‡ZB wQjvg| G‡Kev‡i ïi“‡Z A_©vr 27 gv‡P© XvKv †Q‡o mcwiev‡i weµgcy‡i †QvU fvB Imgv‡bi k¦ïievwo‡Z Avkªq †bB| 20/25 w`b _vKvi ci Avevi XvKvq wd‡i G‡m bZzb evmv fvov K‡i emevm Avi¤¢ Kwi| Avevi hy‡×i G‡Kev‡i †k‡li w`‡K 14B wW‡m¤^i mcwiev‡i XvKvi evB‡i hvB, Gevi m¤^Üxi k¦ïievox kªxbM‡i| †ewkw`b _vK‡Z cvwi wb, weR‡qvrme †`Lvi Rb¨ gb Aw¯’i n‡q D‡VwQ‡jv, ZvB 18 Zvwi‡LB wd‡i Avwm| cvwK¯—v‡bi ˆmb¨‡`i AvµgY †`‡LwQjvg 25 †k gv‡P©i iv‡Z Avevi 26 †k gv‡P©i mKv‡j| Zvi d‡j mš¿¯— wQjvg weåvš— wQjvg| †eu‡P _vKvi †PóvUvB cÖavb n‡q D‡VwQ‡jv| wKš‘ wØZxq `dvq XvKv †Q‡o hvevi Av‡M ch©š— g‡bi g‡a¨ cÖwZ‡iv‡ai †PZbv mRvM †hgb wQ‡jv †Zgwb mwµq n‡q D‡VwQjvg| ZLb gyw³‡hv×v‡`i m‡½ †`Lv n‡q‡Q K_v n‡q‡Q mva¨g‡Zv mvnv‡h¨i †Pó K‡iwQ| D‡ØM wQ‡jv w`bvRcyi gv‡b evwoi Lei cvw”Qjvg bv e‡j| c‡i Lei cvB †h eW©v‡ii Icv‡i †KD †KD I‡`i †`‡L‡Q| wKš‘ I‡`i m‡½ evev‡K †`‡Lwb| Dwb bvwK eW©v‡ii Icvi hvbwb| 16B wW‡m¤^‡i Lei cvB †h, evev cvwj‡h †h‡Z Pvb wb| hviv Zuv‡K wb‡q hvevi Rb¨ †evSv‡Z wM‡qwQ‡jv Zv‡`i wZwb wdwi‡q w`‡qwQ‡jb| e‡jwQ‡jb K‡Zvevi evwo Ni †Q‡o cvjv‡ev,  †Zvgiv hvI| Avwg hv‡ev bv| cvwK¯—vb Avwg©i gy‡LvgywL n‡Z PvB Avwg| cvwK¯—vb Avwg© evwoi cv‡ki iv¯—vq ¸wj K‡i gv‡i| bv, mvwnwZ¨K cÖwZev` hy‡×i mgq Kxfv‡e m¤¢e n‡Zv? ZLb †Zv cvwK¯—v‡bi `vjvjiv †jLK Kwe mvwnwZ¨K‡`i Luy‡R †eov‡”Q †iwWI wUwf‡Z cvwK¯—v‡bi mc‡¶ K_v ejvevi Rb¨| Avi hy× †kl n‡j †Zv cÖwZev` †Zv c‡_ c‡_B Kiv n‡”Q| RbM‡Yi m‡½ ZLb †jLK, Kwe, wkíxivI wQ‡jb| mvwnwZ¨K cÖwZev` gv‡b wbðqB mvwnZ¨ iPbvi gva¨‡g cÖwZev`| hv Zvr¶wYK fv‡e A‡b‡KB K‡i‡Qb| we‡kl K‡i Kweiv wKš‘ Aí wKQyw`b c‡i cÖvq mevB K‡i‡Qb|  AvwgI Mí wj‡LwQ Dcb¨v‡m nvZ w`‡qwQ †hUv wKQy c‡i cÖKvwkZ n‡q‡Q|

 

gvi“d : gyw³hy‡×vËiKv‡j gyw³hy‡×i AwfÁZv Avcbvi †jLK Rxe‡b KZLvwb ¸i“Z¡c~Y© n‡q D‡VwQj?

kIKZ Avjx : nu¨v ¸i“Z¡c~Y© Aek¨B n‡q D‡VwQ‡jv, ejv hvq GLbI n‡q i‡q‡Q| A‡b‡KiB Rxeb m¤ú‡K© `„wófw½ e`‡j w`‡q‡Q| evOvjxi RvZxqZvi Dcjwä I cwiPvqwU my¯úóZi n‡q‡Q Ges wkíx mvwnwZ¨K I eyw×Rxexiv wbR¯^ ms¯‹…wZ I mf¨Zv m¤ú‡K© wkKo mÜvbx n‡q D‡V‡Qb| Aek¨ IUv ïi“ n‡qwQ‡jv 52Õi fvlv Av‡›`vjb †_‡KB wKš‘ ZLb G‡Zv †Rviv‡jv wQ‡jv bv| GLb †hgb RbM‡Yi ¯^vaxbZv hy‡×i m‡½ AZx‡Zi eû we‡`ªvn Ges hyׇK hy³ K‡i †`Lvi †Póv n‡”Q Av‡M †m fv‡e †`Lv n‡Zv bv| †`Lv n‡Zv wew”Qbœ fv‡e|

gvi“d : A‡b‡KB e‡jb †h gyw³hy× wb‡q eo gv‡ci K_vmvwnZ¨ GLbI iwPZ nqwb| G e¨vcv‡i Avcbvi AwfgZ wK?

kIKZ Avjx : eo gv‡ci mvwnZ¨ ej‡Z Kx †evSvq? hw` KvjRqx mvwnZ¨ †evSv‡bv nq Zvn‡j GKUv RvwZi Rxe‡b 30/40 eQi Lye GKUv †ewk mgq bq| Avi hv iPbv n‡q‡Q Zvi g‡a¨ wK wKQyB KvjRqx n‡Z cv‡i bv? G cÖ‡kœi †bwZevPK DËi †`Iqv LyeB KwVb| mvwnZ¨ iPbvq welq Ges Aby‡cÖiYv wn‡m‡e gyw³hy‡×i ¸i“Z¡ †Zv †gv‡UI n«vm cvqwb eis AviI e„w× †c‡q‡Q| GLbI †Zv gyw³hy× wb‡q eo wKQy Ges fv‡jv wKQy †jLvi Avkv A‡bK †jLKB g‡bi †fZ‡i jvjb K‡ib|

gvi“d : Avcwb wK g‡b K‡ib †h mv_©K K_vwkí m„wói R‡b¨ e¨w³i cÖZ¨¶ AwfÁZv cÖ‡qvRb?

kIKZ Avjx : nu¨v Aek¨B cÖ‡qvRb| evsjv mvwn‡Z¨ mv_©K e‡j †hme iPbvi bvg D‡j­L Kiv nq †mme wK meB KvíwbK? Avwg wb‡Ri AwfÁZv †_‡K ej‡Z cvwi †h ïayB Kíbv K‡i Mí ev Dcb¨vm Avwg wjL‡Z cvwi bv| cÖkœ DV‡Z cv‡i, Zvn‡j my`~i AZx‡Zi NUbv I gvbylRb wb‡q Kx fv‡e Dcb¨vm wjL‡Q? G cÖ‡kœi Dˇi ej‡Z cvwi †h nu¨v Kíbvi mvnvh¨ Avgv‡K wb‡Z n‡qwQ‡jv wKš‘ †mB Kíbvi wfwËUv wQ‡jv ev¯—eZv| cUf~wgi RvqMvUv eû kZ eQi c‡i n‡jI Avwg wb‡Ri †Pv‡L GKvwaK evi Ny‡i Ny‡i †`‡LwQ- †`‡LwQ  †mB mg‡qi bvbvb fv¯‹h© Ges ¯’vcZ¨ gvby‡li Rxeb hvc‡bi bvbvb †Lvw`Z wPÎ| Avi †mB mg‡qi wfwˇZ Avgvi Kíbvi RMZwU m„wó n‡q‡Q Avi Avwg wj‡LwQ| ZvB Avgvi wek¦vm ïayB Kíbv K‡i Rxebag©x Mí ev Dcb¨vm †jLv hvq bv|

gvi“d : Avcbvi GKwU eûj Av‡jvwPZ Dcb¨vm ÔcÖ‡`v‡l cÖvK…ZRbÕ| GB DcvL¨vb Kxfv‡e wjL‡jbÑ Ge¨vcv‡i cvVK‡`i †KŠZ~nj i‡q‡Q| wKQy Rvbv‡eb wK?

kIKZ Avjx : cÖv‡`‡l cÖvK…ZRb-Gi DcvL¨vb iPbvi †cQ‡b KvR K‡i‡Q Avgvi †`Lv 1971 Gi NUbvejx| H mgq `‡j `‡j gvbyl wkï e„× bvixcyi“l gv_vq †evSv wb‡q Pj‡Q Avkª‡qi mÜv‡b| Ggb `„k¨ †hgb †Pv‡L c‡o‡Q †Zgwb Avevi Ggb `„k¨I †Pv‡L co‡Q †h iv‡Zi †ejv jɇbi Av‡jvq Pviw`‡K Zi“Yiv e‡m kΓ nb‡bi cwiKíbv Ki‡Q| H me `„k¨ g‡bi †fZ‡i cÖkœ RvwM‡q †Zv‡jÑ KZKvj a‡i kvwmZ wbM„nxZ gvbyl‡K GBfv‡e wbR evmf~wg Z¨vM Ki‡Z n‡q‡Q| kΓi A¯¿vNv‡Z cÖvY w`‡q‡Q Avevi GKB m‡½ cÖwZ‡iva msMÖvgI GwM‡q wb‡q †M‡Q| K‡ZvKvj a‡i G‡`‡ki gvbyl A_©vr Z…Yg~‡ji gvbyl ewnivMZ kΓi wei“‡× hy× K‡i‡Q ? ïay wK e„wUk‡`i wei“‡× bvwK †gvMj kvm‡bi mgq? bvwK ZviI Av‡M, †mb‡`i eªþY¨ev`x kvmb Kv‡j ev ZzwK© kvmbvg‡j? ZviI Av‡M kkv‡¼i nZ¨vh‡Ái NUbvI †Zv BwZnv‡m †jLv i‡q‡Q| wKsev A‡kv‡Ki mvgªvR¨ we¯—v‡ii mgq? g‡bi †fZ‡i †R‡M DV‡Z _vKv cÖ‡kœi Reve †LuvRvi Rb¨ wKQy cov‡kvbv Ki‡Z nq| GKB m‡½ †mB me cÖvPxb msMÖv‡gi f~wg‡Z †h‡Z n‡qwQ‡jv| Gme HwZnvwmK GjvKvq †Nviv †div cÖvPxb wb`k©bvw` †`Lv Avi cov‡kvbv Gm‡eiB mw¤§wjZ wµqvi d‡j Dcb¨vmLvwbi Avwe©fve|

gvi“d : †Kv‡bv we‡kl Rbc` †jLvq Zz‡j Avbvi R‡b¨ mivmwi †mB GjvKvq wK ågY K‡ib? gvby‡li B›UviwfD †bb? GKwU Dcb¨vm †jLvi R‡b¨ Avcbvi cÖwµqvUv wK?

kIKZ Avjx : nu¨v GUv Ki‡Z nq| †h RvqMv †`wLwb, gvby‡li m‡½ Rvbv‡kvbv nqwb- †m A‡ji cUf~wg‡Z Mí Dcb¨vm wKfv‡e wjL‡ev? ZvB Avgvi †jLvq DËie‡½i cUf~wg evievi Av‡m|

gvi“d : GKwU Dcb¨vm wjL‡Z Avcwb wKiKg mgq †bb? me‡P‡q Kg mgq †j‡M‡Q †Kvb Dcb¨vmwU wjL‡Z? Avi me‡P‡q †ewk mgq?

kIKZ Avjx:  †Kvb wVK †bB| wZb Pvi mßvn †_‡K wZb Pvi gvm jv‡M| KL‡bv wZb Pvi eQiI †j‡M‡Q| GKLvbv Dcb¨vm †Zv 1988‡Z †jLv Avi¤¢ Kwi Zv GLbI †kl Ki‡Z cvwi wb| Zvi `yÕwU Ask cwÎKvq Qvcv n‡q †M‡Q Zey cy‡ivUv wj‡L †kl Ki‡Z cvwi wb| me †P‡q Kg mg‡qi g‡a¨ GKUvbv wj‡L hvIqv Dcb¨vm Avgvi c‡¶ †jLv m¤¢e nq wb| ZvB w`‡bi wn‡m‡e Avgvi Dcb¨vm iPbvi mgqmxgv ej‡Z cvi‡ev bv|

gvi“d : Avcwb wK Ab¨‡`i †jLv Ggb `y‡qKwU Dcb¨v‡mi K_v Avgv‡`i ej‡Z cvi‡eb †h¸‡jv Avcbvi e¨w³Rxe‡b eo ai‡bi cÖfve †i‡L †M‡Q? GKRb †jLK wn‡k‡eI ev †Kvb †jLv¸‡jv Avcbv‡K we‡klfv‡e bvov w`‡q‡Q?

kIKZ Avjx : bv Ggb †Kv‡bv Dcb¨v‡mi bvg Ki‡Z cvi‡ev bv hv Avgvi e¨w³Rxe‡b cÖfve †d‡j‡Q| Avi GKRb †jLK wn‡m‡e †h me Dcb¨vm c‡o gb Av‡jvwoZ n‡q‡Q †m¸‡jvi bvg Ki‡Z n‡j `xN© j¤^v ZvwjKv w`‡Z n‡e, †h ZvwjKvi AwaKvskB we‡`kx| ZvwjKvUv `xN© nIqvi KviY GK GK hy‡M GK GKRb gwngvwš^Z cÖwZfv wb‡q Avwef©~Z n‡q‡Qb| i“k fvlvi †jLK †hgb Av‡Qb, †Zgwb Av‡Qb Bs‡iwR fvlvi| Zvici Rvg©vb, divmx, †¯úwbk, MÖxK, we‡k¦i cÖavb cÖvq me fvlv‡ZB hyMvš—Kvix cÖwZfvevb †jL‡Ki Avwef©ve n‡q‡Q| mevi †jLv co‡Z cvwi wb, Z‡e wKQy wKQy †Zv co‡Z n‡q‡Q| bv c‡o cviv hvq wb| Ges †h¸‡jv †kl ch©š— c‡o †kl K‡iwQ †m¸‡jv Aek¨B gb‡K bvov †`Iqvi g‡Zv, bv n‡j c‡o †kl bv K‡i Qvwo bv †Kb?

gvi“d : Avgv‡`i mgv‡jvPbv mvwnZ¨ m¤ú‡K© Avcbvi e³e¨ Rvb‡Z PvBwQ|

kIKZ Avjx : Avgv‡`i mgv‡jvPbv mwnZ¨ LyeB cÖv_wgK ¯—‡i i‡q‡Q e‡j Avgvi aviYv| bv n‡j †hme iPbv Ab¨fvlvq Abyw`Z nq ev Ab¨ †`‡k cyi¯‹…Z nq †m me iPbv wb‡q e¨vcK Av‡jvPbv †Kb †`wL bv|

gvi“d : Avw½‡Ki cix¶v wbix¶vi e¨vcv‡i Avcbvi gš—e¨ wK?

kIKZ Avjx : Avw½‡Ki cix¶v wbix¶v wb‡q gš—e¨ Kivi wKQyB †bB| wb‡Ri wkím„wói Rb¨ †h Avw½K h_v_© e‡j we‡ePbv Ki‡eb K_vwkíx †mUvB wZwb D™¢veb Ges AbymiY Ki‡eb| ˆmq` Iqvjx Dj­vni cÖ_g Dcb¨‡mi †h Avw½K, cieZx© Dcb¨v‡m wK GKB ai‡bi Avw½K †`L‡Z cvIqv hvq? †Rgm R‡qm †h Avw½‡K Zvi BDwjwmm wj‡L‡Qb, †mB Avw½‡Ki Abymi‡Y AviI Dcb¨vm †jLv n‡q‡Q, wKš‘ ÷ªxg Ad Kbkvm‡bm Gi Avw½K BDwjwmm Dcb¨vm‡K hZLvwb mv_©KZv `vb K‡i‡Q Zvi wK Zzjbv nq?

gvi“d : m¤cÖwZ eûj D”PvwiZ `ywU Uvg© n‡”Q ÔDËivaywbKZvÕ Ges Ôhv`yev¯—eZvÕ| K_vmvwn‡Z¨ G`ywU welq wb‡q Avcbvi ch©‡e¶‡Yi K_v ejyb|

kIKZ Avjx : DËi AvaywbKZv AwfavwU wkí I mvwnZ¨ wePv‡ii †¶‡Î †hfv‡e e¨envi Kiv nq, Zv Avwg cy‡ivcywi ey‡S DV‡Z cvwi bv, GUv Avgvi A¶gZvi Kvi‡YI n‡Z cv‡i| AvaywbKZvi m‡½ Rxe‡bi ev¯—eZv Ges e¨w³i ¯^vZš¿¨ Av‡óc„‡ó euvav e‡j Rvwb| GLb hw` Rxe‡bi ev¯—eZv †_‡K DËiY NUv‡bv nq, Zvn‡j _v‡KUv Kx, Avgvi aviYvq Av‡m bv| Avi e¨w³i ¯^vZš¿‡K hw` Qvwo‡q hvIqv hvq, Zvn‡j e¨w³i _v‡KUv Kx? Zvi Aw¯^Z¡ wK _v‡K? DËi AvaywbKZv AwfavbwU w`‡q ev¯—eZvi ga¨B wKQy ˆewPΨ mÜv‡bi †Póv †evSv‡bv †h‡Z cv‡i| wKš‘ ev¯—eZv‡K Z¨vM Kiv †evSv‡bv n‡j †Zv Zv G‡Kev‡iB `y‡e©va¨ n‡q `uvovq| wVK †mB iKgB AvaywbKZvi Avi GKwU wfr n‡”Q e¨w³i ¯^vZš¿¨| †mUvI hw` ÔDËi AvaywbKZvÕ Qvwc‡q ev Qvwo‡q †h‡Z Pvq Zvn‡j Zv †cŠQvq †Kv_vq? DËi AvaywbK †jLK‡`i wKQy †jLv nv‡Z G‡m‡Q| wKš‘ Lye bZzb wKQy †c‡qwQ e‡j g‡b nq wb| ev¯—eZv Avi Aev¯—eZvi gvSvgvwS GKUv ¯^cœKíbvi g‡Zv e¨vcvi e‡j Avgvi g‡b n‡”Q| wKš‘ Avgvi g‡b nq bv †h ïay GB Avw½K w`‡q gvby‡li Rxeb‡K aviY Kiv m¤¢e n‡e| Rxeb I RMr‡K IB Avw½K w`‡q aiv m¤¢e n‡e| Avi hv`yev¯—eZvi e¨vcviUv †Zv †gvUvgywU †evaMg¨| KviY GUv ev¯—eZviB e¨vcKZi DcjwäRvZ GKUv e¨vcvi| Gi cÖ‡qv‡M wkím„wó‡Z Aek¨B bZzb gvÎv hy³ n‡Z cv‡i|

gvi“d : Avcbvi †fZ‡i wK AZ…wß KvR K‡i?

kIKZ Avjx : nu¨v K‡i| †h KvR¸‡jv K‡iwQ †m¸‡jv AviI fv‡jvfv‡e Kiv DwPr wQ‡jv|

gvi“d : bZzb‡`i †jLv wK Avcwb c‡ob| bZzb‡`i †jLv m¤ú‡K© Avcbvi g~j¨vqY Rvb‡Z PvB|

kIKZ Avjx : bZzb‡`i †jLv wKQy wKQy c‡owQ Ges GLbI cwo wKš‘ †ewk bv, `„wókw³ Ges kvixwiK A¶gZvi Kvi‡Y| Z‡e GK_v Avwg me mgqB e‡j _vwK †h bZzb‡`i w`‡K Avgv‡`i ZvKv‡Z n‡e Ges Zv‡`i Kv‡QB Avgv‡`i Avkv Ges eÂbvi K_v †cuŠ‡Q w`‡Z n‡e| KviY ZvivB †Zv bZzb w`M‡š—i `yqvi Ly‡j †`‡e|

gvi“d : A‡bK †jL‡KiB wb‡Ri †jLv †Kv‡bv GKwU Dcb¨vm m¤ú‡K© `ye©jZv _v‡K| Avcbvi wK Av‡Q? GKB m‡½ Rvb‡Z PvBwQ Avcwb wb‡R Avcbvi †Kvb †jLv¸‡jv‡K LyeB ¸i“Z¡ †`b|

kIKZ Avjx : cÖKv‡ki ci me Dcb¨v‡mi e¨vcv‡iB g‡b n‡Zv, GKUv KvR †kl ch©š— K‡iwQ| GL‡bv GgbB g‡b nq, wKš‘ wKQyw`b c‡i Avi †Zgb g‡b nq bv, A‡bK Dcb¨v‡mi bvg ch©š— ¯§iY Ki‡Z cvwi bv| †evanq eva©‡K¨i Rb¨| Z‡e †cQ‡b ZvwK‡q hLb †`wL, ZLb g‡b nq bv †h †Kv‡bv †jLv Avwg A‡nZzK wj‡LwQ| Avm‡j me †jLviB, Avwg g‡b Kwi, wKQy bv wKQy ¸i“Z¡ Av‡Q|

gvi“d : Avcbvi †jLv Kvwnbx wb‡q bvUK n‡q‡Q| Avcwb wb‡R wUwfbvUK ev Pjw”P‡Îi wPÎbvU¨ †jLvi K_v wK KLbI †f‡e‡Qb? mvwnZ¨ wb‡q bvUK ev wm‡bgv nIqv cÖm‡½ wKQy ejyb| Gi d‡j mvwn‡Z¨i cvVK wK K‡g hvq?

kIKZ Avjx : nu¨v, Avgvi Dcb¨vm Avi Mí Aej¤^‡b wUwf bvUK n‡q‡Q- wm‡bgvI n‡q‡Q| wKš‘ †mm‡ei cÖksmv ï‡bwQ e‡j g‡b c‡o bv| bv, wUwf bvUK, ev Pjw”P‡Îi Kvwnbx ev wPÎbvU¨ †jLvi K_v wmwiqvmwj fvwe wb, GLbI fvwe bv| Avgvi m‡›`n nq, I ai‡bi KvR Avgv‡K w`‡q †evanq n‡e bv| Avi wUwf ev wm‡bgv M‡íi ev Dcb¨v‡mi cvVK Kwg‡q †`q GUv ejv hvq bv| Bsj¨v‡Ûi ev Av‡gwiKvi eB‡qi evRv‡i GKUz †LuvR wb‡jB Zv †evSv hv‡e|

gvi“d : †jL‡Ki mvgvwRK `vqe×Zv ev KwgU‡g‡›Ui K_v Avgiv e‡j _vwK| Avcbvi †jLv‡jwLi †bc‡_¨ GB e¨vcviwU wKfv‡e wµqvkxj?

kIKZ Avjx : mvgvwRK `vqe×Zv †Zv Avm‡j Rxe‡bi Kv‡QB `vqe×Zv| IUv cÖK…Z †jLK-wkíxi ¯^fv‡ei †fZ‡iB _v‡K e‡j Avwg g‡b Kwi|

gvi“d : evsjv‡`k Ges cwðge‡½i cÖPwjZ evsjv fvlvi ¯^KxqZv I cv_©K¨ m¤ú‡K©I wKQy ejyb|

kIKZ Avjx : K_vmvwn‡Z¨i fvlvq cÖfve c‡o mgq Ges cwi‡e‡ki| cwðge‡½i K_¨ ixwZ ILvbKvi fvlvq cÖfve †d‡j P‡j‡Q ¯^vfvweK fv‡eB| evsjv‡`‡ki fvlv‡ZI ZvB NU‡Q| wn›`y¯’vwbi Ô†`LfvjÕ GLb KjKvZvi evsjv‡ZI Xy‡K c‡o‡Q| †Zgwb evsjv‡`‡k ÔbvBÕ, Ô‡bBÕ `y‡UvB e¨envi Kiv n‡”Q| ÔG‡jvÕi RvqMvq ÔAvm‡jvÕi e¨envi GLb Avi †Pv‡L jv‡M e‡j g‡b nq bv| ZvB mgq Ges cwi‡ek †Zv e‡UB, ZvQvov welq, PwiÎ, cUf~wg, GmeI fvlvq Qvc †d‡jÑ evKfw½‡Z †hgb, †Zgwb kã e¨env‡iI| ZvB `yB A‡ji mvwn‡Z¨i fvlvq wKQyUv cv_©K¨ GLbB †Pv‡L c‡o| ˆmq` IqvjxDj­vni iPbv‡ZB e¨vcviUv †`Lv †M‡Q e‡j g‡b nq| Zvici †Zv †mB aviv ax‡i ax‡i †MvP‡i A‡MvP‡i e‡qB P‡j‡Q| Avgvi †Zv g‡b nq GB cv_©K¨ K_vmvwn‡Z¨i fvlv‡K MfxiZifv‡e Rxeb-msjMœ Ki‡e|

gvi“d : mvivRxeb †jLv‡jwL‡Z wb‡qvwRZ wb‡ew`Z _vK‡jb| KL‡bv Avcbvi g‡b Ggb cÖkœ Av‡m wKbv †h MY`vwi‡`ª¨i GB †`‡k †ewki fvM ewÂZ mvaviY gvby‡li Kv‡Q GBme †jLv‡jwLi Kvh©KvwiZv KZLvwb?

kIKZ Avjx : GLv‡b GKUv K_v ej‡Z B‡”Q Ki‡Q| Zv n‡jv `vwi`ª¨ ¶zav, Awk¶v _vK‡j gvby‡li †`n Ges gb `yB‡qiB c~Y© weKvk nq bv| †`ng‡b c~Y©fv‡e weKwkZ gvbyl‡K †kvlY †hgb Kiv hvq bv, †Zgwb kvmbI Kiv hvq bv| ZvB we‡k¦i DbœZ †`k¸‡jvi Ici mvgªvR¨ev‡`i †kvlY I AvwacZ¨ †bB, Zviv wb‡RivB mvgªvR¨ev`x A_ev AvwacZ¨ev`x kw³ n‡q weivRgvb| ZvB AbybœZ `vwi`ª¨ †`‡ki gvbyl‡`i †`ng‡bi weKv‡ki K_v fve‡Z n‡e| †`n‡K c~Y©fv‡e weKwkZ Kivi Rb¨ Lv`¨ Avi gb‡K weKwkZ Kivi Rb¨ PvB Ávb hvi GKUv eo Ask mvwnZ¨| ZvB †`k h‡Zv `wi`ªB †nvK, mvwnZ¨ iPbvi c_ †_‡K m‡i hvIqv gv‡b †kvlY‡K Ae¨vnZ n‡Z †`Iqv Qvov Ab¨wKQy bq| ZvB Avwg g‡b Kwi eB covi Af¨vm‡K †hgb evwo‡q †Zvjv `iKvi, †Zgwb `iKvi mvwnZ¨PP©v‡KI evwo‡q †Zvjv| Zvr¶wYKfv‡e nq‡Zv dj cvIqv hv‡e bv, wKš‘ †kl ch©š— Aek¨B mydj cvIqv hv‡e| 

gvi“d : wZbwU Dcb¨vm GK‡Î `yB gjv‡Ui †fZ‡i Avcwb e›`x K‡i‡Qb evi evi| †mB Ô`w¶Yvq‡bi w`bÕ †_‡K nvj Avg‡ji ÔbvpvBÕ ch©š—| ÔbvpvBÕ †ZfvMv Av‡›`vj‡bi †cÖ¶vc‡U †jLv| Avgiv j¶¨ K‡iwQ †h wZbwU eB GKm‡½ GK bv‡g †ei“‡jI Zvi †fZ‡i welqe¯‘ ev e³e¨MZ mvhyR¨ me mg‡q _v‡K bv| welqwU GKUz e¨vL¨v Ki‡eb?

kIKZ Avjx : wUªIjwRi g‡a¨ hw` cvVK GKUvi m‡½ Ab¨Uvi mvhyR¨ Lyu‡R bv cvq Zvn‡j †mUv †jL‡KiB e¨_©Zv eyS‡Z n‡eÑ cªKvwkZ MÖ‡š’i e¨_©Zv ms‡kva‡bi wK Dcvq Av‡Q?

gvi“d : MÖš’ evRv‡ii w`‡K ZvKv‡j Avgiv †`wL †h GLb wdKk‡biB cÖvavb¨, †QvUMíMÖš’ Lye KgB †e‡ivq| cÖwZwôZ †jLKivI mvwn‡Z¨i GB kvLvwU‡Z Av‡Mi g‡Zv Avi mgq †`b bv| GiKg GKUv Ae¯’vq †QvUM‡íi fwel¨r wK?